I know Naruto vs. Pain was already done in the story, but what if Pain was fighting at full power?Scenario The same situation as was shown in the story but the village is unoccupied, Deva Path is not debilitated like he was in the when he first controls Kurama's chakra. Pain can't use Chibaku prep. Knowledge for both by Same spot where they first fought Leaf Village CraterWho wins the rematch?8 years ago Pain stomps him. In before the years ago Pain should win but it'll still be a good fight. Then again if Naruto gets hurt to bad then the seal could probably break once again and then Naruto has a chance to years ago princearagorn1 I changed a few things. It's now Naruto when he first controlled Kurama's chakra. Does it change your answer?8 years ago Sage mode = = Naruto stomps years ago rulerofthevine how does kcm naruto stomp pein? I can't see him winning to begin years ago princearagorn1 It's just Pain not Nagato and with CT clones, clones everywhere + Rasenshuriken. 8 years ago If this kyuubi chakra mode he clears speedblitz and remember every clone is kage years ago Not in-character and Gedo Mazo isn't beating KCM Naruto. Pain gets wrecked with a RS barrage, remember that was Naruto's main attack in their fight and what caused him to lose his sage mode. Also clones and chakra arms, sage Naruto couldn't use either. 8 years ago rulerofthevine gedo mazou isn't beating kcm? Why not, exactly?rasengan barrage and chakra arms get absorbed, because he doesn't have senjutsu in this form. Not to mention a serious pein could just drop a full scale shinra tensei and be done with years ago princearagorn1 said rulerofthevine gedo mazou isn't beating kcm? Why not, exactly?rasengan barrage and chakra arms get absorbed, because he doesn't have senjutsu in this form. Not to mention a serious pein could just drop a full scale shinra tensei and be done with when they fought, GM couldn't beat don't, only preta path can absorb ninjutsu and pretty slowly at that, he isn't absorbing an omnidirectional rasengan barrage blitz, Naruto could also fool him by using henge with some years ago rulerofthevine naruto had bijuu mode in that not? He has already absorbed techniques far more powerful than rasengan barrage. And there's no answer to the full powered shinra tensei..8 years ago princearagorn1 said rulerofthevine naruto had bijuu mode in that not? He has already absorbed techniques far more powerful than rasengan barrage. And there's no answer to the full powered shinra tensei..He didn't use it on problem here is not power, it's number. While preta path is busy absorbing some rasengans, Naruto can target the rest of the bodies or use taijutsu and summons to smash preta shinra tensei requires a bit of prep deactivating the other paths and whatnot, there is no proof Dave path will last long enough to even think about using it considering it will also destroy the rest of the bodies, he won't be using it right off the bat. Additionally, Naruto could fool him by using a rasenshuriken forcing him to go through the 5 second cool down and immobilize him with clones while another RS is coming basically what he did but with much faster KCM clones to stop pain from dodging.8 years ago rulerofthevine sure he did. That was the fight he first got bijuu mode in.'Busy absorbing some rasengans?' Why would he be busy, considering he took jiraya's attacks at high speeds?What about the dog again? The summoning path is constantly spamming summons as it is in character. the robot thing is shooting missiles..8 years ago princearagorn1 said rulerofthevine sure he did. That was the fight he first got bijuu mode in.'Busy absorbing some rasengans?' Why would he be busy, considering he took jiraya's attacks at high speeds?What about the dog again? The summoning path is constantly spamming summons as it is in character. the robot thing is shooting missiles..Um, no, he didn't. He couldn't actually. Since he had just used it to take down the all over him, attacking repeatedly. Some of them could use henge no jutsu to turn into RS and catch him, others could summon a giant frog on his head. You get the picture. 5 clones per Pain for deals with him like he previously did, summon immobilization. Summons and speed blitz. Asura path got blitzed by SM lol Naruto, KCM would blitz years ago So this is KCM Naruto vs 6 Paths of Pain? Didn't Edo-Nagato embarrass Killer Bee and KCM Naruto at the same time already? Pain's got this. 8 years ago noone301994 said So this is KCM Naruto vs 6 Paths of Pain? Didn't Edo-Nagato embarrass Killer Bee and KCM Naruto at the same time already?Pain's got is on a completely different years ago noone301994 most of the pains were getting blitz by sage mode naruto powerscale and logic would dictate current naruto>>>>>>>>>bmbijuu mode>>>>kcmkyuubi chakra mode>>>>>smsage mode and kcm being the transformation question they all get blitz into oblivion before they could even perceive what's occuring and no amount of haxxx can save IMO but I'm willingly to hear your rebuttal good years ago rulerofthevine lol. You said gedo mazo isn't beating naruto, and quoted a time where he had bijuu mode available, bee, kakashi and guy backing him, with gedo mazo mostly immobile through the battle. Not 5 summons, gedo mazo already solo'ing, shinra tensei, missiles.. yes, I see the picture, and it isn't pretty for years ago princearagorn1 said rulerofthevine sure he did. That was the fight he first got bijuu mode in.'Busy absorbing some rasengans?' Why would he be busy, considering he took jiraya's attacks at high speeds?What about the dog again? The summoning path is constantly spamming summons as it is in character. the robot thing is shooting missiles..Um, no, he didn't. He couldn't actually. Since he had just used it to take down the all over him, attacking repeatedly. Some of them using could use henge no jutsu to turne into RS and catch him, others could summon a giant frog on his head. You get the picture. 5 clones per Pain for deals with him like he previously did, summon immobilization. Summons and speed blitz. Asura path got blitzed by SM lol Naruto, KCM would blitz mode naruto was said to be faster than KCM IIRC8 years ago noone301994 Well, Nagato had all of the powers of the 6 Paths at the same time. So they basically had to fight him fully powered. With the 6 Paths, one could destroy one body and not worry about that body's power for the rest of the fight, unless Naraka Path resurrects said years ago vintage_spiderman how is kcm so far ahead of sage mode? The same sage powers are capable of pushing nine tails back in their fight..8 years ago princearagorn1 said rulerofthevine lol. You said gedo mazo isn't beating naruto, and quoted a time where he had bijuu mode available, bee, kakashi and guy backing him, with gedo mazo mostly immobile through the battle. Not 5 summons, gedo mazo already solo'ing, shinra tensei, missiles.. yes, I see the picture, and it isn't pretty for mode wasn't available... Kakshi and Guy could easily be raplaced by clones, B is the only factor and that doesn't matter since Nagato's GM summon is also summons deal with Pain's, Gedo mazo isn't soloing at all not even close to doing it by feats. the rest was debunked. Nah, all those flashes blitzing from everywhere look pretty to me.jashro44 said Sage mode naruto was said to be faster than KCM IIRCHe wouldn't need KCM if that was the case. As far as speed goes SM is only better in reflexes due to years ago rulerofthevine the bijuu are a part of GM, and he was using bijuu mode to fight that. Gedo mazou has the soul ripping dragons, which naruto has no answer summons cannot deal with the dog.. it already took what naruto can dish out, and is capable of overwhelming the toads. what was debunked? A serious pein ends the match with a massive shinra years ago princearagorn1 kcm travel speed>>>>raikage and sage mode in reaction speed>>>>>>>raikage other than that kcm outclasses sm8 years ago vintage_spiderman ... and how do you plan on proving the scaling between sage and kcm? What did kcm do exactly to say it outclasses sage mode?8 years ago vintage_spiderman Yeah I guess that's true. His speed would be important. Plus with knowledge of the Pain's he could just target the important paths of Pain like the one that absorbs chakra or the one that can revive the paths of pain or even the 'almighty push' one. Without knowledge though I can see him blitzing the wrong path of Pain like the soul steal one, summoning one, robot one, etc. and if he does that it could leave him open for being pulled in and years ago princearagorn1 said rulerofthevine the bijuu are a part of GM, and he was using bijuu mode to fight that. Gedo mazou has the soul ripping dragons, which naruto has no answer summons cannot deal with the dog.. what was debunked? A serious pein ends the match with a massive shinra they are not. They were part of Kabuto's edo tensei and turned into obito's 6 paths. The answer exists and it's exactly what KCM excels at Speedblitzing. If Hanzo's shunshin can outrun the dragon, then so can they can, they already did before, and Naruto only needs to beat animal path to dispel the summons. Everything else was debunked. Wrong, pain never starts his fight with a massive ST that requires charging. A serious Naruto would speed blitz the heck out of everyone.... wait he doesnt need to be serious to do that LOL8 years ago rulerofthevine er... bijuu were sealed inside the gedo, jinchuriki were what was edo' difference is, hanzo ran off. Naruto doesn't have that option. He'll have to fight, and he cannot dodge forever.... They didn't. The dog is quite capable of growing dozens of heads, and tank strong attacks from naruto. They aren't doing anything to animal path when it is in formation.'Everything else has been debunked' what and how exactly?He has no answer to getting one shotted by a massive shinra tensei. He didn't need charging for the one that broke every bone in gamabunta's body, or the one that took out FRS. And considering the paths have actually reacted to FRS multiple times, they are not getting years ago Naruto needs Kurama to work with him to win. In his 9 tailed Fox mode he'd be too powerful, shinra Tensei will be years ago princearagorn1 lol kcm is comparable to teleportationftg in some instances so I don't know how sage mode can even years ago princearagorn1 said rulerofthevine er... bijuu were sealed inside the gedo, jinchuriki were what was edo' difference is, hanzo ran off. Naruto doesn't have that option. He'll have to fight, and he cannot dodge forever.... They didn't. The dog is quite capable of growing dozens of heads, and tank strong attacks from naruto. They aren't doing anything to animal path when it is in formation.'Everything else has been debunked' what and how exactly?He has no answer to getting one shotted by a massive shinra tensei. He didn't need charging for the one that broke every bone in gamabunta's body, or the one that took out FRS. And considering the paths have actually reacted to FRS multiple times, they are not getting they are sealed inside the GM, but he can't use them to fight without an edo host and Rinnegan ran off, naruto could do the exact same thing but speedblitz animal path they did, the dog only multiplies when hit, they could easily immobilize it. Naruto can easily deal with the path via blitz, you are over-hyping pain too much, Naruto literally smashed his paths with a smoke screen the exchange again, I won't repeat won't start a fight with that, and it requires charging, what's to stop naruto from blitzing with clones ? The one that broke Gamabunta's bones was used by Nagato and it only pushed KCM back a decent distance, you are forgetting that he was durable enough to tank the juubi's transformation. The one that took RS is the regular is where you are wrong, the paths will all get speed blitzed Asura path got blitzed by SM naruto, same happens with KCM. Animal path was too slow to dodge and had human path grab him and jump, which resulted in human path getting wrecked. The only paths that can deal with RS speed are preta path and deva path, Preta path can be destroyed with the transformation strategy and Deva path getting blitzed from a blind years ago rulerofthevine without kabuto, tobi had used gedo mazo directly just does sage mode doing something mean kcm will automatically be able to do the same? Besides, asura path was trying to attack tsunade at the over hyping pain? No. The other way around. About half a dozen handicaps, and sage naruto still failed against him. Kcm naruto isn't much higher to begin path is more than enough to guard the team from any blitz naruto attempts. Naruto trying to blitz will result in a shinra tensei to the face. The one that broke gamabunta's bones was used by deva path actually. At the same time, there's an army of summons to deal with. Including the invisible chameleon that already caught naruto once before. The dog is enough to handle a toad. They were unable to immobilise it years ago princearagorn1 said rulerofthevine without kabuto, tobi had used gedo mazo directly just does sage mode doing something mean kcm will automatically be able to do the same? Besides, asura path was trying to attack tsunade at the path is more than enough to guard the team from any blitz naruto attempts. Naruto trying to blitz will result in a shinra tensei to the face. At the same time, there's an army of summons to deal with. Including the invisible chameleon that already caught naruto once before. The dog is enough to handle a GM doesn't equal using the Bijuu sealed inside KCM is far faster than Sage mode ? and can use all different kinds of rasengans to make up for the strength difference he isn't weak either ? Irrelevant, all the paths were watching, they should have seen him coming from a mile away and still couldn't do anything about many ST to the face ? don't forget the cool down. Army of summons ? Not even close and Naruto's summons deal with them really easily. The chameleon isn't usable in that fight once it's still recovering from getting disemboweled by Jirayia, and that Naruto couldn't use more clones because he already had tens of clones all over the different over hyping pain? No. The other way around. About half a dozen handicaps, and sage naruto still failed against him. Kcm naruto isn't much higher to begin you are over hyping him too much. KCM >>> Sage mode anyway. Really, let's be rational. 5 clones per pain make this a stomp for one that broke gamabunta's bones was used by deva path know, I said he later used it again against KCM. They were unable to immobilise it it took a hit. 8 years ago rulerofthevine uh, why not?...says what? You're talking as if sage mode and kcm are two entirely different levels in the path is directed at doing something else, of course it doesn't have the time to ST to the face. One that was capable of practically one shotting three boss of clones is in character lol. Already been done. And naruto's summons cannot put down the dog by itself. Chameleon was used against naruto by am being realistic lol. 5 clones or not, he's not getting through the formation with deva path at full years ago Naruto takes down every Pain simultaneously within one five second interval like thisGalleryOr even like thisGalleryReally any way will do, I'm not very years ago princearagorn1 said rulerofthevine uh, why not?...says what? You're talking as if sage mode and kcm are two entirely different levels in the path is directed at doing something else, of course it doesn't have the time to ST to the face. One that was capable of practically one shotting three boss of clones is in character lol. Already been done. And naruto's summons cannot put down the dog by itself. Chameleon was used against naruto by am being realistic lol. 5 clones or not, he's not getting through the formation with deva path at full he never showed he could ?They indeed Pain can only do one thing at a time ? interesting, then Naruto throws a RS and a clone dash with chkara arms while they are dodging = compared to the Juubi's ? since when does pain use clones ? If you are talking about the dog, then it only multiplies when hit and KCM immobilized it with a massive rasengan. Look closer at the chameleon it had it's stomach bandaged at that time, if pain could use it before, he would have done is and very easily, what's stopping him exactly ?8 years ago Pain hasn't the feats to tag KCM Naruto. KCM Naruto will sense Pain and then beat him before the 6 paths can get to Nagato to defend years ago rulerofthevine ?Lol. It literally had the bijuu inside it. How else do you think tobi was planning on using it?Proof?That reading comprehension.. asura path was trying to attack tsunade at the time, it was literally mid motion. You're talking as if naruto blitzed him while he was fighting....how? Juubi's explosion killed who exactly?The summons, and the dog clones. What actually stopped the dog was amaterasu. Considering pein can resurrect death things near instantly, and heal, it's about impossible that the wound was the tensei. Summon spam. Missile spam. Gedo mazou..8 years ago He was even stronger when he first controlled Kuramas chakra. This is after he got trained by Bee right? If so then he speedblitzes the f**k outta Nagato and his 6 paths. 8 years ago captainuzi er.. kcm naruto was unable to speedblitz nagato or itachi throughout their years ago princearagorn1 But if he used all of his clones in the same battle it could have been possible. He was restricted on use of clones and using to much KC because of fear of Kurama taking his own chakra and killing him. So he was pushing his limit with the 3 clones he had in the 3 battles, with the kage, B company, C company and D company. But if he had those 3 clones to counter the 6 paths it would have been easy, minus the whole can't kill a reanimation bullsh*t8 years ago princearagorn1 said rulerofthevine ?Lol. It literally had the bijuu inside it. How else do you think tobi was planning on using it?Proof?That reading comprehension.. asura path was trying to attack tsunade at the time, it was literally mid motion. You're talking as if naruto blitzed him while he was fighting....how? Juubi's explosion killed who exactly?The summons, and the dog clones. What actually stopped the dog was amaterasu. Considering pein can resurrect death things near instantly, and heal, it's about impossible that the wound was the tensei. Summon spam. Missile spam. Gedo mazou..By turning it into the Juubi ?Dodging the Raikages fastest attack from barely half an inch without any sensing sage mode naruto can cover hundreds of feets faster than Asura path can extend an arm ? Moreover, Naruto can do it faster than any pain can react ? Ok then KCM speed blitzes ! wasn't expecting that, I guess you are running out of options then ? Let me ask back that ST killed who exactly ?As for the power of the juubi's explosion, it leveled tens and tens of for summons, the dog only multiplies once hit, Naruto could get that frog with the torture rod whatever it was called to pin it to the ground without causing damage. The dog was already immobilized by this Resurrection has nothing to do with this, and pain never healed anything remotely as large... or even alive lolIf he could, it wouldn't be bandaged tensei = won't be used at it's strongest and still tankable and 5 second cooldown = GGSummons to deal with summons or just blitz animal path = = S-S-S-Speed blitz!!Gedo years ago captainuzi er.. kcm naruto was unable to speedblitz nagato or itachi throughout their didn't try to, he wanted to ask Itachi about the Uchiha massacre. 8 years ago rulerofthevine By turning it into the Juubi ?without any access to edo kinkaku/ginkaku, or nine tails chakra? the Raikages fastest attack from barely half an inch without any sensing half an inch? Raikage started from a long distance, and he couldn't do anything till he reached close. Sage mode has much better control over his speed. In fact, he advanced towards the third, and dodged his thrust from about as close as raikage, plus managed to land a sage mode naruto can cover hundreds of feets faster than Asura path can extend an arm ? Moreover, Naruto can do it faster than any pain can react ? Ok then KCM speed blitzes KCM doesn't blitz anyone, HARD. Sage mode has precog and hence better control over the speed as stated against 3rd ! wasn't expecting that, I guess you are running out of options then ? Let me ask back that ST killed who exactly ?As for the power of the juubi's explosion, it leveled tens and tens of mountains....The entire village? It put three boss summons out of commission in one go. Juubi's explosion, as in tenpenchii right? It didn't level any mountains, they were fighting far away from the mountains at that point. It made a big clearing... not for summons, the dog only multiplies once hit, Naruto could get that frog with the torture rod whatever it was called to pin it to the ground without causing damage. The dog was already immobilized by this First, the picture. Both naruto and nagato stated that he'll just split and keep multiplying after the attack you showedthe frog with the torture rod, gamaken? He has already faced the summons, and couldn't do anythingNaruto's summons can't even deal with one. how are they planning on dealing with the entire bunch?...?If he could, it wouldn't be bandaged worked just fine even if it was bandaged tensei = won't be used at it's strongest and still tankable and 5 second cooldown = GGSo your argument is pain won't use his powers? tankable? Tell that to gamabunta, gamahiro, gamaken, or... the village of to deal with summons or just blitz animal path = can't deal with summons, and the blitz is dealt with a shinra = S-S-S-Speed blitz!!Shinra tensei. Or fodder....sure8 years ago princearagorn1 You really like Pain, don't you you ?without any access to edo kinkaku/ginkaku, or nine tails chakra? sure.... what are you talking about ? You are confusing me right now...Obito was planning on turning the GM into the juubi, that's the entire purpose behind the bijuu capture and the 4th half an inch? Raikage started from a long distance, and he couldn't do anything till he reached close. Sage mode has much better control over his speed. In fact, he advanced towards the third, and dodged his thrust from about as close as raikage, plus managed to land a It was from barely an Inch away. You make it sound as if Naruto was trying to move but failed to do so till the last second, when he clearly didn't, he was pulling off a Minato Even the same damn monologue And everyone present compared him to Minato, even the Raikage act as if the 3rd and 4th Raikage have the same speed, when there is nothing to imply that all we know about the 3rd is that he was fast and his trademark was his durability. KCM was also able to land a hit on that Raikage in case you KCM doesn't blitz anyone, HARD. Sage mode has precog and hence better control over the speed as stated against 3rd he does, go ask kisame, Yamato, Bee, Raikage and Tsunade. Sage Naruto is far slower so of course he will have better control over his speed, I don't see what you are trying to prove here....The entire village? It put three boss summons out of commission in one go. Juubi's explosion, as in tenpenchii right? It didn't level any mountains, they were fighting far away from the mountains at that point. It made a big clearing... not the massive ST never killed anyone since Tsunade protected them, same as the tenpenchi and Naruto's used a missive ST against KCM Naruto and all it did was knock him back, still that isn't something that Pain will start the fight with for too many to disappoint you but the Blast did level many mountains as proven by this You can see that the crater got bigger it reached the sea and the forest where the bijuu fought isn't even visible the picture. Both naruto and nagato stated that he'll just split and keep multiplying after the attack you showedFirst, this isn't the strategy KCM will the dog was immoblised for a while after taking the attack and eneded up getting Amaterasu'dThird, Naruto only needs to keep him down long enough to oneshot animal path, so 10 seconds should frog with the torture rod, gamaken? He has already faced the summons, and couldn't do anythingIt's like you aren't even reading lolI said that the frog can immobilize him without inflicting damage to stop it from summons can't even deal with Naruto's frogs won the summons battle As you can see, Gamabunta made the mistake of attacking the dog and that allowed it was see that Gamabunta was sitting on top of that Dog and the other two summons had already sheathed their weapons. Then the dog splits, which causes Gamabunta to fall and the other two frogs to be taken off guard but still react accordingly.The entire mess could have been avoided had they immobilized the dog instead of cutting are they planning on dealing with the entire bunch?I can't see some of those pictures but the 3 boss summons deal with the Rhino, Bull and Dog. Gamakishi can deal with the crab. The centipede is fodder that got oneshotted by Sakura Naruto smashes it with a basic chakra arm or any form of rasengan to avoid BS. As for the chameleon it's not usable as it's still injured and Ma & Pa can stomp it anyway.It worked just fine even if it was bandaged not even my point lolYou said that Pain healed the chameleon I explained that if he did or could then it wouldn't be bandaged. Additionally, the Nagato fight happened a while after the Jiraya fight and the chameleon was still bandaged = not fully healed so there is no reason to assume that it will be in any fighting condition before your argument is pain won't use his powers? argument, really ? Why am I not surprised...What I said is that pain won't use the massive Shinra tensei right off the bat, because it shortens his life span, requires prep and will oneshot the rest of his bodies. He can use the regular shinre tensei all he wants, once the cool down starts he is as good as tankable? Tell that to gamabunta, gamahiro, gamaken, or... the village of juubi roars in laughter at your statement... and accidentally oneshots all 6 pains, but not KCM can't deal with summons,he can as proven so the blitz is dealt with a shinra tensei has a cool down, Naruto uses a smoke screen and sends 4 clones from different sides each wielding a RS, considering how slow all the pain's are, Preta path and Deva path will have to protect preta path tries to absorb the RS, Naruto can use his Chakra arms to alter it's trajectory and hit the others, If pain uses ST he will start the 5 seconds cool and get oneshotted by a surprise attack from above Like this Shinra tensei. Or tensei is only usable once, the clones won't attack at the same time. so as soon as deva path uses one shinra tensei to block some clone the rest will immediately speed blitz and blast requires a bit of charge can't stop a blitz then and will more than likely wreck the rest of the bodies lol Terrible strategy all around....sureThe first two scans show Obito using the GM not Pain, and we all know that Obito's mastery over it was far better than Pain's due to having rinnegan, uchiha blood and senju Nagato can only summon it half buried, Obito can summon the whole needed to get stabbed by the will rods to use the dragons, Obito didn' can't use the gedo without Rinnegan, Obito other two scans show the dragon that Hanzo easily outran, KCM can do the same we may not agree on the outcome, I must admit that you raised some good points, so I can respect your opinion. Still, this could turn into quite the long debate, and I suppose in-fighting between Naruto fans won't do us any good, so shall we agree to disagree ? I'd rather we save energy for some other threads lol8 years ago Nagato stomps kcm1 Naruto but the pains are not durable at all so kcm1 Naruto can blitz any of the pains and with shadow clones Naruto can make 6 so 6 on 6 with Naruto being able to blitz them all. 3 years ago

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